Does suffering have meaning, or is it mostly unnecessary harm to be reduced?
Axis: suffering can be meaningful or formative ... suffering is mostly pointless and should be reduced
John
| date | change | position | video |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2010-08-27 | new | John holds that grief has value: rather than rushing to turn loss into something positive, we should stand still, be sad, bear witness and let ourselves be transformed. | Rest In Awesome, a private person 00:01:35 |
| 2012-08-13 | restate | John: some things in life hurt because they were important; a breakup is a real loss that needs to be grieved. | John and Rainn Wilson Talk Romance 00:02:49 |
Hank
| date | change | position | video |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2010-06-24 | new | Hank: winning is more wonderful if it hurts on the way; hard work, frustration and loss are what give winning value and are part of being happy. | GOOOOOOOL!!!! 00:01:56 |