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Does suffering have meaning, or is it mostly unnecessary harm to be reduced?

Axis: suffering can be meaningful or formative ... suffering is mostly pointless and should be reduced

John

date change position video
2010-08-27 new John holds that grief has value: rather than rushing to turn loss into something positive, we should stand still, be sad, bear witness and let ourselves be transformed. Rest In Awesome, a private person 00:01:35
2012-08-13 restate John: some things in life hurt because they were important; a breakup is a real loss that needs to be grieved. John and Rainn Wilson Talk Romance 00:02:49

Hank

date change position video
2010-06-24 new Hank: winning is more wonderful if it hurts on the way; hard work, frustration and loss are what give winning value and are part of being happy. GOOOOOOOL!!!! 00:01:56