On Religion (Redux)
2011-06-24 · John · watch on YouTube · Philosophy & meaning · reflection essay
Lower-confidence wave
2011 videos did not pass the QA gate (17 %); their analysis is shown but less reliable.
Following Hank's point that 'do you believe in God?' needs its terms defined, John argues that religious identities are impossible to define cleanly, since believers disagree within every tradition, and that there was never a golden age to return to.
What is said
00:00:00 — Greeting, the Blue guys, John's doctor's note against his punishment, a dancing interlude
- ★ The description frames the video as closing an unplanned 'Religion Theme Week' and revisiting the 2011 vlogbrothers theme that the truth resists simplicity, so we must live with ambiguity. — 00:00:00 · Nerdfighteria
- ★ In the description John again invites viewers to continue the conversation in Your Pants (yourpants.org). — 00:00:00 · Your Pants
- ★★ John says he has been sick lately and has a doctor's note saying he doesn't have to do his punishment, but wanted to continue the religion conversation. (playful) — 00:00:07 · Punishment
00:00:19 — Picking up Hank's video: religious identity is hard to define (Five Pillars, kosher, nirvana, Christians damning Christians)
- ★★★ Hank's point that 'do you believe in God?' requires defining 'believe', 'God' and even 'in' made John think how difficult it is to define any religious identity. — 00:00:19
- ★★ John says Muslims believe in the Five Pillars of Islam (shahada, prayer, zakat, pilgrimage to Mecca, Ramadan), yet the majority don't follow them, e.g. most don't pray five times daily. — 00:00:32
- ★★ Similarly, John says, many Jews don't keep kosher, many Buddhists disagree radically about nirvana and how to reach it, and many Christians think other Christians are going to hell. — 00:00:53
00:01:06 — The Pentecostal church anecdote: disagreement even within one denomination; another dance break
- ★★ In college John visited a Pentecostal church in rural Florida where a woman asked the pastor to pray for her sister, lost because she attended the Pentecostal church across the street. — 00:01:06 · Florida
- ★★★ Even within one denomination of one sect of one tradition there are big disagreements: whoever you are, someone in your own tradition will say you aren't really Jewish, Muslim or Christian. — 00:01:25
00:01:50 — Fuzzy labels lead traditions to look back to golden ages; there never was one
- ★★★ So the words Christian, Muslim and Jew are very hard to define; John, a Christian, shares more theologically with some Muslims than with many of his fellow Christians. — 00:01:50
- ★★ John thinks this fuzziness is one reason traditions look back to a clearer past: Islam's first four caliphs, Paul and the first apostles, King David's rule. (hedged) — 00:01:58
- ★★★ But there was never a golden age and no way to recapture one by going back to it, which thousands of years of failure show. — 00:02:13
00:02:25 — Nerdfighters keep inventing the word's definition; sign-off
- ★★ Likewise, John says, Nerdfighters are constantly inventing and evolving the definition of the word 'nerdfighter'. — 00:02:25 · Nerdfighteria
Threads in this video
- change · John: punishment for not posting a video on Wednesday (May 2011) — John says he has been sick and has a doctor's note saying he doesn't have to do his punishment. (00:00:07)
- change · John: punishment earned by Nerdfighters getting Helen Hunt to see Hank's Helen Hunt video (2011) — John says he has been sick and has a doctor's note saying he doesn't have to do his punishment. (00:00:07)
- remind · John invites viewers to continue the conversation about religion on Your Pants (June 2011) — The description again invites viewers to continue the conversation about religion in Your Pants. (00:00:00)
- restate · Is there really an 'us' and a 'them', or are distant and different people just facets of us? — John says religious labels can't cleanly divide people: someone in every tradition will deny you belong, and he shares more theology with some Muslims than with many fellow Christians. (00:01:50)
- restate · Does God exist, and is religious faith worth having? — John speaks as a Christian ('my fellow Christians') who has more in common theologically with some Muslims than with many fellow Christians. (00:01:58)
- restate · Is nostalgia trustworthy: were earlier times, or earlier generations, really better? — John says religious traditions look back to a golden age, but there never was one and it cannot be recaptured by going back. (00:02:13)
- restate · What is the community for? — John says Nerdfighters are constantly inventing and evolving the definition of the word 'nerdfighter'. (00:02:25)
Replies to
- Do You Believe in God? — «in your video on Wednesday, you pointed out how difficult it can be to»
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