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Are good books made in revision rather than in a fast first draft?

Since 2009 John has said books are made in revision: he cut most of a draft of his own book, and all writing is rewriting. Hank agreed in 2015 that a good book comes from writing a bad one and fixing it, and in 2020 described a big revision that rewrote the book. In 2023 John said even the first act of writing is a kind of rewriting for him.

Axis: books are made in revision ... the first draft is the book

Positions by date: 9 records in 9 videos. The position did not change in these records.

John

date how position video
2009-11-01 first on record John argues that no great book is written in a month or in a first draft; books are made in revision, as his own novels show. NaNoWriMo!!! 00:01:29
2010-05-10 restate John tells a viewer to rewrite half her novel: he cut 55,000 of 62,000 words from his own book, and all writing is rewriting. Advice on Dumb Boyfriends, Going to College, and More 00:00:59
2021-03-30 restate The book has long been finished and John is only futzing with commas and sentences, but he takes pleasure in making and remaking the million little choices that form a book. I did it! 00:03:23
2021-12-14 restate John says all writing is rewriting first because most of what is good in a story emerges in revision: he has never written a paragraph, let alone a novel, that didn't need extensive revision. MAKE. BELIEVE. 00:00:29
2023-11-07 restate John says even the initial act of writing is a kind of rewriting for him, because he turns ideas that exist in nebulous forms in his head into language. NaFaDoYBIMSCoM 00:01:45

Hank

date how position video
2015-06-26 first on record Hank says the only way to write a good book is probably to write a bad one, see why it's bad, and make it good. How to Get Good at Everything 00:03:21
2018-09-21 restate Nothing prepared Hank for half a decade with the same lump of clay: making it a pot, hating it, punching it back into clay, and again. The Parable of the Perfect Pot 00:02:09
2019-10-31 restate What resonated with Hank from Orange: you have to be a reader of your own work, experiencing what you made as with any art, and enjoy it. Book News! 00:00:29
2020-01-10 restate Hank says the big revision basically rewrites the book: 50,000 words come out and 40,000 new ones go in. The Thing I would Like to End 00:01:21