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Should creators get a share of the revenue whenever their work earns money, whatever the format?

John argued in 2007 that writers should get a percentage in every format, and in 2024 noted that profit-share deals tempt him to praise a bad film. Hank said in 2024 he is being ripped off, since big companies are paid for their data in AI models and he is not.

Axis: yes, a percentage in every format ... no, payment can end with the first sale or flat fee

Positions by date: 5 records in 5 videos. The position was refined (2024), never reversed, in these records.

John

date how position video
2007-11-13 first on record John argues that writers, like authors, should be paid a percentage for their work in every format, including ad-supported internet streams, since content that earns money is not promotional. November 13: You Can't Scare Me. I'm Stickin' to the Union. 00:02:07
2013-01-29 restate John: a designer paid a flat fee loses out however successful the product; she should keep owning it, which is why their shop now pays Nerdfighter designers royalties. Across Three Continents: A Tale of Tumblr, Copyright, and Excellent Posters 00:00:29
2024-04-16 refine John's problem with profit-share deals: if the movie is bad, even one furthering stereotypes he wrote against, he is still incentivized to like it or pretend to. I Already Got Paid 00:00:29
2024-08-27 restate John says this is obviously bad for people who create intellectual value, whether making YouTube videos or writing comments. How The Internet Is Rigged 00:05:30

Hank

date how position video
2024-08-23 first on record Hank says he is definitely getting ripped off: big companies signed licensing deals and are paid for their data being in AI models, and he is not. Is Google Training AI on YouTube Videos? 00:03:53