Can election results be trusted?
John called Iran's 2009 election rigged, yet said in 2016 that the US election would not be rigged and in 2017 that Trump's win was legitimate. From 2018 Hank has said unproven fraud claims weaken democracy, and in 2024 he praised election officials' care for accurate results.
Axis: trustworthy ... rigged / fraudulent
Positions by date: 9 records in 9 videos. The position was refined (2016), never reversed, in these records.
John
| date | how | position | video |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2009-06-14 | first on record | John holds that Iran's 2009 presidential election was stolen by Ahmadinejad and possibly the Supreme Leader, citing five reasons, while allowing it may not have been rigged. | Iran Election Fraud: 5 Reasons to Doubt the Results 00:01:29 |
| 2009-07-12 | restate | John again calls Iran's 2009 presidential election rigged. → refers to Iran Election Fraud: 5 Reasons to Doubt the Results | On Iran, Islam, and Amazingly Stupid Comments 00:00:29 |
| 2016-10-25 | refine | John says the US presidential election will not be rigged, any more than the 2004 one was. | Will the U.S. Presidential Election Be Rigged? 00:05:58 |
| 2017-09-26 | restate | None of this means the election was illegitimate (it wasn't) or that Trump didn't win (he did). | Trump and Russia: An Introduction to What We Know (and What We Don't) 00:02:31 |
Hank
| date | how | position | video |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2018-10-26 | first on record | Claiming widespread voter fraud funded by your opponents, without even trying to prove it, weakens democracy; Trump has done this and continues to. | The Rigged Election 00:01:59 |
| 2020-11-06 (said on 2020-11-05, implied) | restate | Hank says the result is close enough that Trump can falsely claim the election was stolen from him, and many of his supporters will completely lose faith in the American system. | Just Some Election Thoughts… 00:00:58 |
| 2024-10-18 | restate | Hank thinks ballots are ordered this way because election officials want results to reflect voters' desires as accurately as possible, which is good; he went from frustrated to a little impressed. | My Ballot Made Me Angry 00:05:42 |
| 2024-11-08 | restate | Hank says using this graph to insinuate that Biden's votes were suspicious means its maker was either ignorant or had bad intentions. | These Maps are Lying (if you let them) 00:01:10 |
| 2024-11-22 | restate | Hank says viewers follow creators down the hole, from mild suspicion of impenetrable systems to certainty that every lost election is fraudulent. | Populism, Media Revolutions, and Our Terrible Moment 00:27:14 |
Dates are upload dates, which set the order. Where the speaker gives a different recording date in the video, it is added as "said on YYYY-MM-DD, implied" (derived from the date said in the video).