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Is patriotism a virtue?

Hank loves America for its ideals (2009) and its commitment to global systems (2016), was proud and then ashamed over the Paris Agreement (2017), and in 2019 criticizes ultra-nationalist views. John is proudest of events where no flag flies above another (2013), and in 2019 says telling Lopez's American story will never be unpatriotic.

Axis: a virtue ... a danger / empty spectacle

Positions by date: 9 records in 9 videos. The position was refined (2009, 2013), never reversed, in these records.

John

date how position video
2013-04-16 refine John is cool with a world of flags but most proud of a world that holds events where no flag flies above another. Flags and Helpers 00:01:27
2019-07-30 restate John concludes that Lopez is American, his story is an American story, and telling that story will never be unpatriotic. The Mexican Repatriation 00:03:48

Hank

date how position video
2009-11-25 refine Clarifying his earlier anthem remark, Hank says he loves America for its good ideals, not for defending them, which every country does. → refers to 50 THINGS!! That I'm Thankful For Things I'm Not Thankful For 00:00:29
2016-08-12 restate Hank, not much of a nationalist, says he loves America, including its commitment to global systems, and is proud to be American despite election-year demonization. AMERICA, DAMMIT! - Thoughts from Glacier National Park 00:02:50
2017-06-02 restate Hank was proud his country led in establishing the Paris Agreement and is ashamed of its step back from uniting humanity against this global challenge. The Paris Accord: What is it? And What Does it All Mean? 00:05:38
2017-08-18 restate To those who say 'this is not America', Hank answers that it is America, which doesn't mean he doesn't love the country. What I've Been Thinking About 00:02:43
2018-01-05 restate Reason six: Hank is sentimentally attached; just as he won't leave his country when things go bad, he won't abandon YouTube to become worse without him. Making a Better YouTube 00:02:26
2019-08-23 restate Hank says Brazil is not paid for these global benefits, and far-right, ultra-nationalist views, holding that the nation is for the nation only, don't allow for things that help everyone. The Amazon isn't "Burning" - It's Being Burned 00:03:41
2025-02-07 restate Hank hopes Americans will say not merely that courts blocked Trump, but that his action was unconstitutional, and that they like no president as much as they like America. What Trump's Doing 00:05:21

Background

date how position video
2009-11-24 background Mocking the US anthem as being about bombs and war, Hank says there are things about America he likes more than explosions and war. (playful) 50 THINGS!! That I'm Thankful For 00:00:00

Timeline notes

  • Hank: first recorded event is refine (earlier stance may be outside 2007–2026 or unrecorded)
  • John: first recorded event is refine (earlier stance may be outside 2007–2026 or unrecorded)